Usapang Politics

[Fantasy Gamer]

If at the time of her birth, need nya pa gumawa ng any act para maging Filipino sya, e.g., need nya pa magpa-naturalize.

[jmsv]

kailangan tulungan ng PBA si grace poe para maging legit pinoy siya... kabisado na ng PBA kung pano paikotikutin yan.

[grayfox17]

So paano hindi matatawag na hindi natural-born ang 1 Pinoy?

pag caesarian ang pagkakapanganak sa bata

[deathzero23]

^bwahahaha.. Normal vs Caesarian Delivery

Anyway I searched it in Wikipedia and here's the topic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippin ... nality_law

Citizenship by birth

As of 2010, with no significant changes expected, Philippine nationality law provides that a person becomes a Philippine citizen by birth if

that person was born on or after October 15, 1986 and at least one parent was a Philippine citizen on the birthdate;
that person was born on or after January 17, 1973 and both parents were Philippine citizens on the birthdate or the person elected Philippine citizenship pursuant to the provisions of the 1935 Constitution;
or the person was born on or after May 14, 1935 and the father was a Philippine citizen or, if the father was not, the mother was a Philippine citizen and the person elected Philippine citizenship pursuant to the provisions of the 1935 Constitution;
or that person was born on or after August 29, 1916 and prior to May 14, 1935 and at least one parent was an inhabitant and resident of the Philippine Islands and a Spanish subject on April 11, 1899, or that person was an inhabitant and resident of the Philippine Islands and a Spanish subject on April 11, 1899, except in certain specific cases.


Citizenship by naturalization

Commonwealth Act No. 473, approved June 17, 1939, provided that persons having certain specified qualifications may become a citizen of the Philippines by naturalization.

Republic Act No. 9139, approved June 8, 2001, provided that aliens under the age of 18 who were born in the Philippines, who have resided in the Philippines and have resided therein since birth, and who possess other specified qualifications may be granted Philippines citizenship by administrative proceeding subject to certain requirements.

Under Section 2 of the Revised Naturalization Law the applicant must possess the following qualifications:

He/she must not be less than twenty-one (21) years of age on the day of the hearing of the petition;
He/she must have resided in the Philippines for a continuous period of not less than ten (10) years;
He/she must be of good moral character and believes in the principles underlying the Philippine Constitution, and must have conducted himself in a proper and irreproachable manner during the entire period of his residence in the Philippines in his relation with the constituted government as well as with the community in which he is living;
He/she must own real estate in the Philippines worth not less than five thousand (5000) pesos, Philippine currency, or must have some known lucrative trade, profession, or lawful occupation;
He/she must be able to speak or write English or Spanish or any one of the principal languages;
He/she must have enrolled his minor children of school age in any of the public or private schools recognized by the Bureau of Public Schools of the Philippines where Philippine history, government and civics are taught or prescribed as part of the school curriculum, during the entire period of the residence in the Philippines required of him prior to the hearing of the petition for naturalization as Philippine citizen.


Loss and reacquisition of Philippine citizenship

Commonwealth Act No. 36, dated 20 October 1936, provides that Philippine citizens may lose citizenship in any of the following ways or events:

By naturalization in a foreign country;
By express renunciation of citizenship;
By subscribing to an oath of allegiance to support the constitution or laws of a foreign country upon attaining twenty-one years of age or more: Provided, however, That a Filipino may not divest himself of Philippine citizenship in any manner while the Republic of the Philippines is at war with any country.
By rendering services to, or accepting commission in, the armed forces of a foreign country, and the taking of an oath of allegiance incident thereto, except in certain specified cases;
By cancellation of the certificates of naturalization;
By having been declared by competent authority, a deserter of the Philippine armed forces in time of war, unless subsequently, a plenary pardon or amnesty has been granted; and
In the case of a woman, upon her marriage to a foreigner if, by virtue of the laws in force in her husband's country, she acquires his nationality.

Republic Act No. 8171, approved 23 October 1995, provided a mechanism allowing Filipino women who have lost their Philippine citizenship by marriage to aliens and natural-born Filipinos who have lost their Philippine citizenship, including their minor children, on account of political or economic necessity, to reacquire Philippine citizenship.

Republic Act No. 9225, approved 29 August 2003, provided that natural-born citizens of the Philippines who had lost their Philippine citizenship by reason of their naturalization as citizens of a foreign country would be deemed to have re-acquired Philippine citizenship upon taking an oath of allegiance to the Republic, and that their children whether legitimate, illegitimate or adopted, below eighteen (18) years of age, shall be deemed citizens of the Philippines.

Eto kasi ang ilang argumento against Poe:
- Di malinaw ang citizenship ng tunay na magulang ni Grace. Dapat kahit isa ay Filipino. Ano citizenship ni Grace by blood kung walang lumalabas na tunay na magulang.
- Ginagamit ng kampo ni Grace yung "international ruling" about foundlings. Eh nasa Pilipinas tayo, may sariling batas. Lalabas inutil ang ginagawang citizenship law dito?

Facts:
- May U.S.Passport si Grace, bale American Citizen siya.
- Nagdenounce ng American Citizenship si Grace Poe eh on October 20, 2010.
- That's why she was able to hold an office in MTRCB in 2010.

Senate Qualifications:
1. A natural born citizen of the Philippines.
2. At least 35 years of age on the day of the election.
3. Able to read and write
4. A registered voter
5. A resident of the Philippines for not less than two years immediately preceding the day of the election.

- In item number 1, sablay na si Grace. Walang nagpapakitang tunay magulang na Pinoy eh.
- Items 2 to 5, pasok si Grace.

Qualification for Philippine President and Vice-President:
1. natural born citizen of the Philippines
2. registered voter
3. able to read and write
4. at least 40 years of age on the day of election
5. resident of the Philippines for at least 10 years immediately preceding the election.

- Item number 1, sablay pa rin si Grace.
- the rest, ok siya.

It's not I don't like her. Impressed ako sa stint nya sa MTRCB pero maliit na office lang ang MTRCB eh.
Ok lang maging President si Poe. I mean, she's much better than his Dad. May experience na rin siya kaso konti. 2 years MTRCB, 3 years sa Senate. Marami nga siya na file na bill sa senate pero hindi naman ganung karaming na-approve. Karamihan ng bill ni Grace focuses on poverty and hunger. I don't know kung may economic and business bills si Grace.

Saka yung mga nakapalibot sa kanya, mga trapo. Mga di katiwa-tiwala.
Technicality ito kay Poe. Tapos pinaboran siya ng SC kahapon.

Maraming dismayado na magagaling at respetado na abugado eksperto sa citizenship.
Lalabas walang kwenta mga pinag-aralan nila sa Law school.

[grayfox17]

wag na tayo magtaka sa mga ganyang balita, since when did the rule of law prevailed in this country lalo na pagdating sa pulitika? The problem about the presidential qualifications ng pinas is that literally anybody who has met those criterion can become president. Hindi problema yung tatakbo - madaming kwalipikado, ang problema lang talaga yung konstitusyon mismo. It needs to be more specific with the standards.

And survey says...

[deathzero23]

Kalokohan ang Survey. Mind conditioning tool yan.
Most surveys are commissioned. Kung LP nag pasurvey, ikaw na binayaran nila ipapakita mo ba na tagilid sila? Ilalabas mo agad ang info na lagpak ang ratings nila sa media? Syempre hindi, ipapakita mo muna ang resulta sa nagbayad sayo di ba? Sila magdedecide kung ano gagawin sa resulta.

[Daniel]

Dapat pala ipagbawal na ang surveys para walang clue kung sino ang "dapat" iboto.

Sabi ng Comelec, nung naging senador si Poe, 6 years and something months lang si GP na resident dito. Eh 3 years after 10 years na? Labo!

Sabi nga ng ibang bloggers/commenters sa mga balitang ito, lahat ng tinuro sa kanila sa law school, kabaligtaran ng desisyo ng SC.

Supreme Court pweh talaga.

Edit: Si Duterte pala nag sabi nito.

“Ask any lawyer. We studied political law for a whole semester. That decision is the opposite of what our professors had taught us,” the mayor said.

http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/ser ... g-opinions
http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/ ... -grace-poe

[deathzero23]

Pero di ba ang mandate ng SC halos lahat ng hindi madesisyunan na issue. Dapat kasi minsan yung mga position paper ng mga SC justices, sinusuri din lalo na mga importanteng issue.

Kahit saan ko tingnan, Kahit gusto ko iboto si Grace, pagdating sa qualifications may sablay talaga eh.
At kung hahayaan na mga sablay ay pumasa, anong pinagkaiba sa eskwelahan na nagpapasa ng mga estudyanteng bagsak?

Regarding surveys pa, hindi naman ganun ka-credible kasi hindi naman nilalabas in public ang pangalan ng mga respondents.
May kwento about Lee Kuan Yew about his opinion on conducting surveys. It's like for him anong silbi pa ng election kung mag-susurvey pa?
Ano daw yun? Pagbibigay ng pre-determine results by conditioning the public intentionally or not? Gusto nya para sa mga Singaporean sila mismo sa sarili nila magdecide sa araw ng election. Ganun lang.

Sa totoo lang, nakakagulo pa minsan ang mga surveys na yan.

[Daniel]

Nadesisyunan naman ng Comelec e. 2 division na yung nag-decide, biglang nabawi ng SC. Awwwww

Totoo nga yung sa surveys. Tingin tuloy ng mga tao, mahina si Miriam. Pag si Miriam nagpa-survey sa school, siya naman ang laman. Iba-iba di ba? hahaha

[nayj]

Auto ignore ako sa mga election candidate surveys na iyan. Hindi ko rin naman magagamit yun para mag decide sa iboboto ko. Kung magpa survey sila, sa kandidato na lang nila i-pakita ang results. Sila lang naman ang may kailangan nun.

[grayfox17]

ako honestly tingin ko peke yang mga surveys na yan kasi how can one agency manage to gather statistical data nationwide? anong specific methods kaya ginagamit nila to get their data? logistically speaking, masyado kaya magastos di ba? who knows, baka sila mismong comelec din ang lumalaro ng data para lang ipa-feed sa sambayanan kung sino ang dapat at di dapat iboto..

kaya ko nasabi etong speculation ko im no digong fan and i do find it really hard to believe na nauna pa sa ratings si binay sa kanya....

[parokyano]

di umubra si duterte sa mga student ng UPLB.. after two questions nagpaalam na last 2 questions na lang daw.. and uwi na siya bawal daw chopper niya lumipad pag wala ng araw..

ang mga sagot pa daw sa tanong malalabo na hinahaluan na lang ng biro.. sa mga bobotante benta yang ganyan.. pero sa may mga utak di basta basta makakalusot ang style na yan..

[deathzero23]

Pwede ba may gumawa ng thread about senatorial race 2016 or renamed this thread Election 2016? Wala lang.

Gumagawa na kasi ng ingay yung mga gustong tumakbong senador.
So far Si Gordon at Gatchalian pa lang naiisip kong iboto.

Napanood ko yung "Cupal Test" sa Kontrabando.
Ang mga nainterview na doon eh si Neri Colmenares, Ria Hontiveros at Lorna Kapunan
Ayaw ko sila iboto. Lalo na si Kapunan.

[deathzero23]

Di pa rin ako maka-get over sa citizenship ni Poe.
Lalabas sa ginawa ng SC, pwede ma-determine ang citizenship ng isang bata kahit walang tumayong biological parent (proven by documents and DNA tests) basta nasa teritoryo ka lang ng Pilipinas. Pilipino ka na agad.

SC just relied on "possibilities or mere-possibilities" and not via exact "solid grounds" as per qualifications to be a presidential candidate.

http://interaksyon.com/article/125188/m ... hip-ruling

Siguro masasabi ko na lang, ang batas natin about citizenship ay hindi ganung ka-solid. May loophole pa rin. How such law missed the issue about foundlings? Sa dami ng mga foundlings sa Pilipinas or sa mundo, walang batas ang Pilipinas at least about this case. Kelangan pa magkaroon ng isang Grace Poe para ma-open ang ganitong argument.

Masasabi ko na lang, kung ibabase sa batas.. Hindi proven na isang Pilipino si Poe. Pasensya na sa mga supporter nya.
To improve our citizenship law dapat gumawa na bagong batas that covers foundlings.

Right now, ang plano ng mga nagsampa ng kaso against Poe ay mag-file ng MR (Motion for Reconsideration) at pag nagmatigas ang SC, sasampahan daw nila ng posibleng grounds for Impeachment.

[Daniel]

Kung sabihin na nating natural-born citizen na nga. Eh yung 10-year residency pinalusot nila? Ibig sabihin ang bobo magbilang ng 2 division ng Comelec?

Pwede ba may gumawa ng thread about senatorial race 2016 or renamed this thread Election 2016? Wala lang.

Gumagawa na kasi ng ingay yung mga gustong tumakbong senador.
So far Si Gordon at Gatchalian pa lang naiisip kong iboto.

Napanood ko yung "Cupal Test" sa Kontrabando.
Ang mga nainterview na doon eh si Neri Colmenares, Ria Hontiveros at Lorna Kapunan
Ayaw ko sila iboto. Lalo na si Kapunan.

Pwede tayong gumawa ng bagong thread para sa senador.

[deathzero23]

Hahaha.. Oo pwede nating masabi na bobo yung head ng Comelec division 2.
For me, Comelec ngayon lang ako medjo na-impress sa trabaho nila. Mas mahigpit sila ngayon at mas may drive sila ipatupad ang rules compared sa mga dating nakaupo. Although nakitaan sila ng butas dahil sa walang Receipt ang gagamiting VCMs (vote counting machine) in this election.

I hate to say it pero may punto yung sinampang kaso ni Gordon. kelangan yung receipt para ma-compare yung resulta ng botohan 100%. pero bakit ngayon lang naisipan usisain ito knowing na last year nag-aasikaso na ang comelec? From then on naman pwede na silipin ng mga critics yung ginagawang paghahanda ng Comelec eh. Walang nag-raise sa issue ng Receipt?

Worst case scenario, balik mano-mano botohan or delay ang araw ng election. Unless ma-counter ng Comelec ang SC decision by legal means.

heto pa pala argument ni Justice Antonio Carpio about SC's decision on Poe:
http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/ ... itizenship
^May punto siya. Yung ginagamit ng international law ng Poe camp eh hindi sakop ang Pilipinas dahil hindi pala kasama sa signatories ang bansa natin sa naturang policy/law/treaty.

The justice reiterated foundling Poe is not a natural-born Filipino as her birth does not fall in any of the conditions set by the 1935 Constitution, the law applicable to her birth in 1968.

While the camp of Poe said that the intent of the framers of the 1935 Constitution and international laws and treaties grant foundlings natural-born status, Carpio debunked their arguments.

As what Carpio pointed out in his dissenting opinion in the Senate Electoral Tribunal ruling, he reiterated that delegates to the 1934 Constitutional Convention eventually rejected the amendment seeking to include foundlings in the list of natural-born Filipino citizens at birth.

Carpio added the Philippines is not bound by international laws and treaties cited by Poe – the 1930 Hague Convention and the 1961 United Nations Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness – as the Philippines is not a signatory to them.

While the Philippines signed the 1989 Convention of the Rights of the Child, Carpio said this could not apply to Poe’s birth in 1968 because the Philippine government signed it only in 1990, or more than 20 years after.

Further, the senior justice said the treaty grants only the right to acquire nationality, not natural-born citizenship.

“In sum, there is no international treaty to which the Philippines is a contracting party, which provides expressly or impliedly that a foundling is deemed a natural-born citizen of the country in which the foundling is found. There is also obviously no international treaty, to which the Philippines is not a party, obligating the Philippines to confer automatically Philippine citizenship to a foundling at birth,” Carpio said.

The justice again hit Poe and her camp for supposedly using emotions to steer the issue. For Carpio, only DNA evidence could prove that Poe is indeed a natural-born Filipino.

All DNA tests of Poe so far, however, have yielded negative

[grayfox17]

pag natuloy na mahalal si GP bilang pangulo, malamang yung citizenship law ang isa sa mga unang gagalawin nyan

[Daniel]

nabasa ko yung article tungkol kay carpio. sana pala dun pa lang sa set decision marami na silang justices. pero manalo rin kaya ang dq case dun? baka hindi rin, dahil baka kasama sila sa 9 justices na hindi nag-dq.

[parokyano]

imo dapat imerge na lan ito sa usapang politika since.. usapang politika din naman ito..

[deathzero23]

Putek si Binay no income tax daw sa mga may sweldo ng 30k and below.
Di papayag BIR nyan. Malaki mawawala sa collection.

Babawiin daw ni Binay ang mawawaalang collection sa paghuli at mataas na fine sa mga smugglers.
Have they done the math?

No.of people earning 30k in Phil.in a year VS. No.of smugglers being caught in a year

Sobrang laki at di makatao ang kelangang i-fine sa mga smugglers to cover ang mawawalang koleksyon. hahaha.
Ang population ng working pinoy fixed yan. Yung bilang ng mahuhuling smugglers hindi fixed yan.

Paano kung mahuling smuggler sa isang taon ay isa lang?
Kawawa naman yung smuggler, sasaluhin nya yung mawawalang tax sa mga sumusweldo ng 30k below.

Maging realistic naman si Binay. Lahat ng Pilipino may tungkulin magbayad ng tax para tumulong sa bayan. So gagawin nya tatanggalan nya ng tungkulin yung mga may sweldo ng 30k below? At yung tax nila ay iaasa sa Indirect tax like pagbili ng mga produktong may VAT? Maliit yun.

Ang realistic pababain ang income tax rate down sa 22%. Sapat na yun.