PS3 Lifespan (see page 1 for the list)

[x--ArchAngeL--x]

^^^thanks pare for the including your units sa list....

[TurnBased]

My first unit never technically died, actually. Nag yeyellow light, pero nabubuksan pa. Every 40+ minutes nga lang nag auauto shutdown sa ibang games. I based the end date(December 2009) on the first instance that the unit autoshutdown'ed.

I had it reflowed by sir Nels, kaso the YLOD symptoms are showing up again.

1. x--Archangel--x : Asian SG PS3 60GB classic (September 2007-October 2009) - YLOD (sold working parts) and US PS3 120GB Slim (November 2009-Present) - average playing hours weekdays: 5 hours (naiiwan pa minsan kapag nakatulog) weekends (8 hours)

2. CECHH00_CW : Japan PS3 40GB classic (January 2008-May 2010)

3, Jemaiz07 : US version 80GB Fat ( Aug 2008-Until now buhay parin ^^) 4 to 8hours of playin and watching movies pinaka matagal ko lang time na laro eh umabot ng 14hours siguro 6times ko palang nagagawa yon

4.decaffeinated23: Asian 40GB PS3 classic (Feb 2008-August 2009) R.I.P.

5. jokster : asian 80gb cechl12 ( Feb 2009 - still playing )

6. RAYANT8: Launch Unit 60GB Japan Classic (Feb. 4, 2007 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day
Philippine Launch Unit 120GB Slim (March 30, 2010 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day

7. TurnBased: Asian 60GB Classic (August 2007 - December 2009, revived June 2010 - PRESENT, experiencing YLOD symptoms again)
Asian 120GB PS3 Slim (January 2010 - PRESENT) -

[juancho]

Ang dami pala nagkakaproblema sa Ps3 Fat.
Good thing I waited and got the Ps3 slim.

[barefoot_warrior]

1. x--Archangel--x : Asian SG PS3 60GB classic (September 2007-October 2009) - YLOD (sold working parts) and US PS3 120GB Slim (November 2009-Present) - average playing hours weekdays: 5 hours (naiiwan pa minsan kapag nakatulog) weekends (8 hours)

2. CECHH00_CW : Japan PS3 40GB classic (January 2008-May 2010)

3, Jemaiz07 : US version 80GB Fat ( Aug 2008-Until now buhay parin ^^) 4 to 8hours of playin and watching movies pinaka matagal ko lang time na laro eh umabot ng 14hours siguro 6times ko palang nagagawa yon

4.decaffeinated23: Asian 40GB PS3 classic (Feb 2008-August 2009) R.I.P.

5. jokster : asian 80gb cechl12 ( Feb 2009 - still playing )

6. RAYANT8: Launch Unit 60GB Japan Classic (Feb. 4, 2007 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day
Philippine Launch Unit 120GB Slim (March 30, 2010 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day

7. TurnBased: Asian 60GB Classic (August 2007 - December 2009, revived June 2010 - PRESENT, experiencing YLOD symptoms again)
Asian 120GB PS3 Slim (January 2010 - PRESENT) -

8. foxez: Launch Unit 60 GB US - Feb 11, 2007 - Present - binuksan ko lang ulit nung friday after 3 months

Panalo kami ni ryant. Sulit!

[x--ArchAngeL--x]

@TurnBased:

thanks for your inputs fafs...

[xblitz23]

1. x--Archangel--x : Asian SG PS3 60GB classic (September 2007-October 2009) - YLOD (sold working parts) and US PS3 120GB Slim (November 2009-Present) - average playing hours weekdays: 5 hours (naiiwan pa minsan kapag nakatulog) weekends (8 hours)

2. CECHH00_CW : Japan PS3 40GB classic (January 2008-May 2010)

3, Jemaiz07 : US version 80GB Fat ( Aug 2008-Until now buhay parin ^^) 4 to 8hours of playin and watching movies pinaka matagal ko lang time na laro eh umabot ng 14hours siguro 6times ko palang nagagawa yon

4.decaffeinated23: Asian 40GB PS3 classic (Feb 2008-August 2009) R.I.P.

5. jokster : asian 80gb cechl12 ( Feb 2009 - still playing )

6. RAYANT8: Launch Unit 60GB Japan Classic (Feb. 4, 2007 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day
Philippine Launch Unit 120GB Slim (March 30, 2010 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day

7. TurnBased: Asian 60GB Classic (August 2007 - December 2009, revived June 2010 - PRESENT, experiencing YLOD symptoms again)
Asian 120GB PS3 Slim (January 2010 - PRESENT) -

8. foxez: Launch Unit 60 GB US - Feb 11, 2007 - Present - binuksan ko lang ulit nung friday after 3 months

9 xblitz23: Asian 250GB Slim (CECH-2012B) (Dec. 13, 2009 - Present) = weekdays use 2 hrs, weekends 3-5 hours, but lately I'm not playing it for almost 2 months na, just updating the firmware if there's new

[icebucks666]

Di ko na-experience YLOD or any other defects with my unit and I had 20 GB Launch PS3 unit still alive until now at masyadong abuso gamit dun, I gave it to my cousin and he does'nt have any idea on YLOD and such, kaya laro lang ng laro, he even finished FF13 on it, 160 GB PS3 sold it to a member here and a 250 GB PS3 slim which i am currently using. Got lucky I guess.

Though I did experienced some minor issues with my unit except the 160 GB one with just recently, my Slim reads a bit slow during one night, pero ngayon, Ok na ok na.

list lang need namin dito fafs not experience with your unit marami na tayong thread for that... if you're still interested you may continue to enlist your units here... thanks...

OK man, di ko alam na LIST pala dapat. Sorry man.

[x--ArchAngeL--x]

OK man, di ko alam na LIST pala dapat. Sorry man.

no problem you may include your units sa list for info for other members thanks in advance...

[CECHH00_CW]

no problem you may include your units sa list for info for other members thanks in advance...

Sir, awesome `tong thread. Pinatuyan lang na pede pang magtagal system ko kunghindi ako naadik.

[x--ArchAngeL--x]

Sir, awesome `tong thread. Pinatuyan lang na pede pang magtagal system ko kunghindi ako naadik.

thanks fafs... let's wait for more supporters para may idea talaga tayo kung gaano kahaba ang buhay ng PS3...

[jokster]

1. x--Archangel--x : Asian SG PS3 60GB classic (September 2007-October 2009) - YLOD (sold working parts) and US PS3 120GB Slim (November 2009-Present) - average playing hours weekdays: 5 hours (naiiwan pa minsan kapag nakatulog) weekends (8 hours)

2. CECHH00_CW : Japan PS3 40GB classic (January 2008-May 2010)

3, Jemaiz07 : US version 80GB Fat ( Aug 2008-Until now buhay parin ^^) 4 to 8hours of playin and watching movies pinaka matagal ko lang time na laro eh umabot ng 14hours siguro 6times ko palang nagagawa yon

4.decaffeinated23: Asian 40GB PS3 classic (Feb 2008-August 2009) R.I.P.

5. jokster : asian 80gb cechl12 ( Feb 2009 - still playing ) every monday lang siya nagagamit (day off), 3-4 hours playing time with two hours rest in between playing time, a total of 12-16 hours a week

6. RAYANT8: Launch Unit 60GB Japan Classic (Feb. 4, 2007 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day
Philippine Launch Unit 120GB Slim (March 30, 2010 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day

7. TurnBased: Asian 60GB Classic (August 2007 - December 2009, revived June 2010 - PRESENT, experiencing YLOD symptoms again)
Asian 120GB PS3 Slim (January 2010 - PRESENT) -

8. foxez: Launch Unit 60 GB US - Feb 11, 2007 - Present - binuksan ko lang ulit nung friday after 3 months

9 xblitz23: Asian 250GB Slim (CECH-2012B) (Dec. 13, 2009 - Present) = weekdays use 2 hrs, weekends 3-5 hours, but lately I'm not playing it for almost 2 months na, just updating the firmware if there's new

update ko lang hours played ko

[nels76]

1. x--Archangel--x : Asian SG PS3 60GB classic (September 2007-October 2009) - YLOD (sold working parts) and US PS3 120GB Slim (November 2009-Present) - average playing hours weekdays: 5 hours (naiiwan pa minsan kapag nakatulog) weekends (8 hours)

2. CECHH00_CW : Japan PS3 40GB classic (January 2008-May 2010)

3, Jemaiz07 : US version 80GB Fat ( Aug 2008-Until now buhay parin ^^) 4 to 8hours of playin and watching movies pinaka matagal ko lang time na laro eh umabot ng 14hours siguro 6times ko palang nagagawa yon

4.decaffeinated23: Asian 40GB PS3 classic (Feb 2008-August 2009) R.I.P.

5. jokster : asian 80gb cechl12 ( Feb 2009 - still playing ) every monday lang siya nagagamit (day off), 3-4 hours playing time with two hours rest in between playing time, a total of 12-16 hours a week

6. RAYANT8: Launch Unit 60GB Japan Classic (Feb. 4, 2007 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day
Philippine Launch Unit 120GB Slim (March 30, 2010 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day

7. TurnBased: Asian 60GB Classic (August 2007 - December 2009, revived June 2010 - PRESENT, experiencing YLOD symptoms again)
Asian 120GB PS3 Slim (January 2010 - PRESENT) -

8. foxez: Launch Unit 60 GB US - Feb 11, 2007 - Present - binuksan ko lang ulit nung friday after 3 months

9 xblitz23: Asian 250GB Slim (CECH-2012B) (Dec. 13, 2009 - Present) = weekdays use 2 hrs, weekends 3-5 hours, but lately I'm not playing it for almost 2 months na, just updating the firmware if there's new

10. nels76: Jap PS3 60GB (Feb 6, '07 - Present). Adikan noong 2007 and 2008. As in daily for about 4 hours. I slowed down from gaming in 2009 to present. 3x reflowed na. he he he. Now, I just use it to play SACD and MP3s. Medyo nagsasawa na ako sa gaming.

[x--ArchAngeL--x]

1. x--Archangel--x : Asian SG PS3 60GB classic (September 2007-October 2009) - YLOD (sold working parts) and US PS3 120GB Slim (November 2009-Present) - average playing hours weekdays: 5 hours (naiiwan pa minsan kapag nakatulog) weekends (8 hours)

2. CECHH00_CW : Japan PS3 40GB classic (January 2008-May 2010)

3, Jemaiz07 : US version 80GB Fat ( Aug 2008-Until now buhay parin ^^) 4 to 8hours of playin and watching movies pinaka matagal ko lang time na laro eh umabot ng 14hours siguro 6times ko palang nagagawa yon

4.decaffeinated23: Asian 40GB PS3 classic (Feb 2008-August 2009) R.I.P.

5. jokster : asian 80gb cechl12 ( Feb 2009 - still playing ) every monday lang siya nagagamit (day off), 3-4 hours playing time with two hours rest in between playing time, a total of 12-16 hours a week

6. RAYANT8: Launch Unit 60GB Japan Classic (Feb. 4, 2007 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day
Philippine Launch Unit 120GB Slim (March 30, 2010 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day

7. TurnBased: Asian 60GB Classic (August 2007 - December 2009, revived June 2010 - PRESENT, experiencing YLOD symptoms again)
Asian 120GB PS3 Slim (January 2010 - PRESENT) -

8. foxez: Launch Unit 60 GB US - Feb 11, 2007 - Present - binuksan ko lang ulit nung friday after 3 months

9 xblitz23: Asian 250GB Slim (CECH-2012B) (Dec. 13, 2009 - Present) = weekdays use 2 hrs, weekends 3-5 hours, but lately I'm not playing it for almost 2 months na, just updating the firmware if there's new

10. nels76: Jap PS3 60GB (Feb 6, '07 - Present). Adikan noong 2007 and 2008. As in daily for about 4 hours. I slowed down from gaming in 2009 to present. 3x reflowed na. he he he. Now, I just use it to play SACD and MP3s. Medyo nagsasawa na ako sa gaming.

thanks for the inputs/updates foxez, xblitz23 and nels76...

[jiobear26]

can i join here?

11. jiobear26 - asian ps3 120gb slim (june 14, 2010 - present) 1 - 2 hours per day... (weekends included)

[x--ArchAngeL--x]

can i join here?

of course! anyone who like to share their info are most welcome para magka-idea tayo kung may tatagal ba talagang PS3... thanks BTW...

as for the updated list:

1. x--Archangel--x : Asian SG PS3 60GB classic (September 2007-October 2009) - YLOD (sold working parts) and US PS3 120GB Slim (November 2009-Present) - average playing hours weekdays: 5 hours (naiiwan pa minsan kapag nakatulog) weekends (8 hours)

2. CECHH00_CW : Japan PS3 40GB classic (January 2008-May 2010)

3, Jemaiz07 : US version 80GB Fat ( Aug 2008-Until now buhay parin ^^) 4 to 8hours of playin and watching movies pinaka matagal ko lang time na laro eh umabot ng 14hours siguro 6times ko palang nagagawa yon

4.decaffeinated23: Asian 40GB PS3 classic (Feb 2008-August 2009) R.I.P.

5. jokster : asian 80gb cechl12 ( Feb 2009 - still playing ) every monday lang siya nagagamit (day off), 3-4 hours playing time with two hours rest in between playing time, a total of 12-16 hours a week

6. RAYANT8: Launch Unit 60GB Japan Classic (Feb. 4, 2007 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day
Philippine Launch Unit 120GB Slim (March 30, 2010 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day

7. TurnBased: Asian 60GB Classic (August 2007 - December 2009, revived June 2010 - PRESENT, experiencing YLOD symptoms again)
Asian 120GB PS3 Slim (January 2010 - PRESENT) -

8. foxez: Launch Unit 60 GB US - Feb 11, 2007 - Present - binuksan ko lang ulit nung friday after 3 months

9 xblitz23: Asian 250GB Slim (CECH-2012B) (Dec. 13, 2009 - Present) = weekdays use 2 hrs, weekends 3-5 hours, but lately I'm not playing it for almost 2 months na, just updating the firmware if there's new

10. nels76: Jap PS3 60GB (Feb 6, '07 - Present). Adikan noong 2007 and 2008. As in daily for about 4 hours. I slowed down from gaming in 2009 to present. 3x reflowed na. he he he. Now, I just use it to play SACD and MP3s. Medyo nagsasawa na ako sa gaming.

11. jiobear26 - asian ps3 120gb slim (june 14, 2010 - present) 1 - 2 hours per day... (weekends included)

[ryanskie24]

1. x--Archangel--x : Asian SG PS3 60GB classic (September 2007-October 2009) - YLOD (sold working parts) and US PS3 120GB Slim (November 2009-Present) - average playing hours weekdays: 5 hours (naiiwan pa minsan kapag nakatulog) weekends (8 hours)

2. CECHH00_CW : Japan PS3 40GB classic (January 2008-May 2010)

3, Jemaiz07 : US version 80GB Fat ( Aug 2008-Until now buhay parin ^^) 4 to 8hours of playin and watching movies pinaka matagal ko lang time na laro eh umabot ng 14hours siguro 6times ko palang nagagawa yon

4.decaffeinated23: Asian 40GB PS3 classic (Feb 2008-August 2009) R.I.P.

5. jokster : asian 80gb cechl12 ( Feb 2009 - still playing ) every monday lang siya nagagamit (day off), 3-4 hours playing time with two hours rest in between playing time, a total of 12-16 hours a week

6. RAYANT8: Launch Unit 60GB Japan Classic (Feb. 4, 2007 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day
Philippine Launch Unit 120GB Slim (March 30, 2010 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day

7. TurnBased: Asian 60GB Classic (August 2007 - December 2009, revived June 2010 - PRESENT, experiencing YLOD symptoms again)
Asian 120GB PS3 Slim (January 2010 - PRESENT) -

8. foxez: Launch Unit 60 GB US - Feb 11, 2007 - Present - binuksan ko lang ulit nung friday after 3 months

9 xblitz23: Asian 250GB Slim (CECH-2012B) (Dec. 13, 2009 - Present) = weekdays use 2 hrs, weekends 3-5 hours, but lately I'm not playing it for almost 2 months na, just updating the firmware if there's new

10. nels76: Jap PS3 60GB (Feb 6, '07 - Present). Adikan noong 2007 and 2008. As in daily for about 4 hours. I slowed down from gaming in 2009 to present. 3x reflowed na. he he he. Now, I just use it to play SACD and MP3s. Medyo nagsasawa na ako sa gaming.

11. jiobear26 - asian ps3 120gb slim (june 14, 2010 - present) 1 - 2 hours per day..

12. ryanskie24 - japan ps3 40gb (sept 2008 - present) adik mode everyday (4-6hrs). la pa naman ako na raramdamang sakit nung system nag autoshutdown na siya pero mga once or twice lang. sana mag tuloy tuloy ang kanyang pagiging mabuti

[x--ArchAngeL--x]

@ryanskie24:

thanks for the inputs fafs...

[kingjey]

1. x--Archangel--x : Asian SG PS3 60GB classic (September 2007-October 2009) - YLOD (sold working parts) and US PS3 120GB Slim (November 2009-Present) - average playing hours weekdays: 5 hours (naiiwan pa minsan kapag nakatulog) weekends (8 hours)

2. CECHH00_CW : Japan PS3 40GB classic (January 2008-May 2010)

3, Jemaiz07 : US version 80GB Fat ( Aug 2008-Until now buhay parin ^^) 4 to 8hours of playin and watching movies pinaka matagal ko lang time na laro eh umabot ng 14hours siguro 6times ko palang nagagawa yon

4.decaffeinated23: Asian 40GB PS3 classic (Feb 2008-Aug 2009: Weekdays 1-2 hours weekends 5-6hours)ylodR.I.P.
US 120GB PS3 Slim (October 2009-February 2010-SOLD) i maximized my playing hours 4-6 hours if my
sched permits me to do so, kung hindi naman, i'd rather not turn on my ps3 kung 1-2 hours lang.

5. jokster : asian 80gb cechl12 ( Feb 2009 - still playing )

6. RAYANT8: Launch Unit 60GB Japan Classic (Feb. 4, 2007 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day
Philippine Launch Unit 120GB Slim (March 30, 2010 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day

edit ko lang yung playing hours.

[x--ArchAngeL--x]

1. x--Archangel--x : Asian SG PS3 60GB classic (September 2007-October 2009) - YLOD (sold working parts) and US PS3 120GB Slim (November 2009-Present) - average playing hours weekdays: 5 hours (naiiwan pa minsan kapag nakatulog) weekends (8 hours)

2. CECHH00_CW : Japan PS3 40GB classic (January 2008-May 2010)

3, Jemaiz07 : US version 80GB Fat ( Aug 2008-Until now buhay parin ^^) 4 to 8hours of playin and watching movies pinaka matagal ko lang time na laro eh umabot ng 14hours siguro 6times ko palang nagagawa yon

4.decaffeinated23: Asian 40GB PS3 classic (Feb 2008-Aug 2009: Weekdays 1-2 hours weekends 5-6hours)ylodR.I.P.
US 120GB PS3 Slim (October 2009-February 2010-SOLD) i maximized my playing hours 4-6 hours if my
sched permits me to do so, kung hindi naman, i'd rather not turn on my ps3 kung 1-2 hours lang.

5. jokster : asian 80gb cechl12 ( Feb 2009 - still playing ) every monday lang siya nagagamit (day off), 3-4 hours playing time with two hours rest in between playing time, a total of 12-16 hours a week

6. RAYANT8: Launch Unit 60GB Japan Classic (Feb. 4, 2007 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day
Philippine Launch Unit 120GB Slim (March 30, 2010 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day

7. TurnBased: Asian 60GB Classic (August 2007 - December 2009, revived June 2010 - PRESENT, experiencing YLOD symptoms again)
Asian 120GB PS3 Slim (January 2010 - PRESENT) -

8. foxez: Launch Unit 60 GB US - Feb 11, 2007 - Present - binuksan ko lang ulit nung friday after 3 months

9 xblitz23: Asian 250GB Slim (CECH-2012B) (Dec. 13, 2009 - Present) = weekdays use 2 hrs, weekends 3-5 hours, but lately I'm not playing it for almost 2 months na, just updating the firmware if there's new

10. nels76: Jap PS3 60GB (Feb 6, '07 - Present). Adikan noong 2007 and 2008. As in daily for about 4 hours. I slowed down from gaming in 2009 to present. 3x reflowed na. he he he. Now, I just use it to play SACD and MP3s. Medyo nagsasawa na ako sa gaming.

11. jiobear26 - asian ps3 120gb slim (june 14, 2010 - present) 1 - 2 hours per day..

12. ryanskie24 - japan ps3 40gb (sept 2008 - present) adik mode everyday (4-6hrs). la pa naman ako na raramdamang sakit nung system nag autoshutdown na siya pero mga once or twice lang. sana mag tuloy tuloy ang kanyang pagiging mabuti

@decaffeinated23:

thanks for the update

[edrian34]

1. x--Archangel--x : Asian SG PS3 60GB classic (September 2007-October 2009) - YLOD (sold working parts) and US PS3 120GB Slim (November 2009-Present) - average playing hours weekdays: 5 hours (naiiwan pa minsan kapag nakatulog) weekends (8 hours)

2. CECHH00_CW : Japan PS3 40GB classic (January 2008-May 2010)

3, Jemaiz07 : US version 80GB Fat ( Aug 2008-Until now buhay parin ^^) 4 to 8hours of playin and watching movies pinaka matagal ko lang time na laro eh umabot ng 14hours siguro 6times ko palang nagagawa yon

4.decaffeinated23: Asian 40GB PS3 classic (Feb 2008-Aug 2009: Weekdays 1-2 hours weekends 5-6hours)ylodR.I.P.
US 120GB PS3 Slim (October 2009-February 2010-SOLD) i maximized my playing hours 4-6 hours if my
sched permits me to do so, kung hindi naman, i'd rather not turn on my ps3 kung 1-2 hours lang.

5. jokster : asian 80gb cechl12 ( Feb 2009 - still playing ) every monday lang siya nagagamit (day off), 3-4 hours playing time with two hours rest in between playing time, a total of 12-16 hours a week

6. RAYANT8: Launch Unit 60GB Japan Classic (Feb. 4, 2007 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day
Philippine Launch Unit 120GB Slim (March 30, 2010 - PRESENT) = everyday use 5-10 hours/day

7. TurnBased: Asian 60GB Classic (August 2007 - December 2009, revived June 2010 - PRESENT, experiencing YLOD symptoms again)
Asian 120GB PS3 Slim (January 2010 - PRESENT) -

8. foxez: Launch Unit 60 GB US - Feb 11, 2007 - Present - binuksan ko lang ulit nung friday after 3 months

9 xblitz23: Asian 250GB Slim (CECH-2012B) (Dec. 13, 2009 - Present) = weekdays use 2 hrs, weekends 3-5 hours, but lately I'm not playing it for almost 2 months na, just updating the firmware if there's new

10. nels76: Jap PS3 60GB (Feb 6, '07 - Present). Adikan noong 2007 and 2008. As in daily for about 4 hours. I slowed down from gaming in 2009 to present. 3x reflowed na. he he he. Now, I just use it to play SACD and MP3s. Medyo nagsasawa na ako sa gaming.

11. jiobear26 - asian ps3 120gb slim (june 14, 2010 - present) 1 - 2 hours per day..

12. ryanskie24 - japan ps3 40gb (sept 2008 - present) adik mode everyday (4-6hrs). la pa naman ako na raramdamang sakit nung system nag autoshutdown na siya pero mga once or twice lang. sana mag tuloy tuloy ang kanyang pagiging mabuti

13. edrian34 - HK PS3 60GB Launch Unit w/ Backward Compatibility (April 2007 - Present) approximately 5hrs play time pag weekdays and 8hrs pag weekend.. never pa nakaranas ng auto-shutdown while playing games.. ang nagiging problema lang is lately nahihirapan na ata makaread ng games.. pag nag insert ako ng game, di nya agad maread, kelangan pa mag eject then reinsert yung game, pag ayaw, rinse and repeat lang.. pero minsan isang pasok lang, ok na.. sana di na lumala pa to..