Usapang Politics

[parokyano]

si roxas ang may pinaka magandang plano at paliwanag sa mga plano niya.. at one point umepal pa si duterte at sinabing kinopya daw ni mar yung plano niya.. ehole yung plano na sinasabi niya matagal ng iniimplement ng gobyerno.. doon nasira credibility ni duterte..

si grace pangalawang maganda ang performance.. madaming pangako pero may mga plano din sa likod ng pangako.. "baguhan" pero karamihan ng ibinato sa kanya nasagot niya and yung mga sinasabing plano ng ibang kandidato ay kinuwestiyon niya.. it prove na may kaalaman siya sa mga usapin ng pamumuno and pamamahala..

pangatlo si digong.. may lumabas naman sa bibig niya na matino about sa coal and natural gas.. yun nga lang yung mga ibang pinaggagawa ay pag propaganda sa mga kalaban..

si binay naman puro golbes ek ek.. panahon daw ng pangako.. pero humirihirit din ng lahat ng pinangako sa makati tinupad.. and kupa talaga bawal nga ang notes.. yung kanya ilang patong ng folder ang binaon.. puro mind conditioning din ginawa na linisin image niya sa mga botante while dinudungisan yung iba..

sayang wala si miriam or kung nandun man eh not strong enough para pagsisigawan at pagmumurahin mga kasama niyang nagbabatuhan ng putik..

[SirZap]

for reference

Propagandist ni Hitler si Goebbels (pronounced Gorbels)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

[deathzero23]

^Puro makati lang sinasabi ni Binay.. VP ka na Binay, wala ka bang achievement as VP?
Buti pa si Noli De Castro may achievement kahit konti as VP

Saka si Binay puro sundot, sawsaw, gatong lang ginawa trapong-trapo.
Panahon daw ng Pangako. Eh bakit ganun din naman siya. Sinong impokrito. Wala siyang sinagot na intelihente.
Patunay lang na hindi siya pang-debate, hindi siya pwede sa matalinong debate.
Eh ni hindi nga siya nakipag-shake hands after ng debate.
Nagmukhang katawa-tawa si Binay dito sa 2nd debate. Puro salag.
May dala pang documents. Sopla siya ni Digong. Sa senado nya ipakita yan wag sa debate.

Poe went to offensive pero sumablay siya kay Mar.
PDEA is under the President not under DILG. Tapos sabay segway si Poe "ang criminal ay tungkulin ng PNP na under ng DILG"
Bagama't ok si Poe may pagka-Textbook answer siya. Textbooks aren't available when you're leading a country. You need to be smart. My worries are supporters ni Poe baka may singilin sa kanya pag nanalo siya. Would you think a businessman like Danding will support you for free? He was a Marcos crony.

Si Mar, is being Mar with his Daang Matuwid. Problema sa kanya. Asar talo. Kitang-kita sasabog na si Mar
He can't handle such stress. Tama naman si Digong. May nahuli nagshashabu pero patuloy pa rin ang lutuan ng shabu sa bilibid. Ano nga naman ginagawa ng PNoy admin? In fairness kay Mar, lagi siyang may ready na sagot. At tama naman siya, it's a process. PNoy started a foundation. Pero it's the people appointed by admin ang problema. On where it's a curse on Mar's campaign.
MRT and Al Bitangcol at dinepensahan pa nya si Abaya, Yung SAF44 na di siya sinabihan ni Pnoy, At ang malaking black-eye eh yung Yolanda.

Alam nyo ba kung bakit mabagal ang magpamigay ng relief goods noon? Kasi hinihintay ng gov't ang media. Para mapakita nila na may ginagawa sila. Tendency, yung mga victims tatakbo sa mga NGO. Mamamatay na si gutom yung mga tao eh. Tama ba yun?

Too bad Digong didn't make any tirades on Poe's citizenship.
It was surprising na may alam siya sa Climate Change at yung type ng soils, etc.. At tama naman siya..
The UN are hypocrites. Puro treaty wala namang napaparusahan. Namimili lang ang UN.
Bakit di nga naman patawan ng malaking sanction ng UN ang China at America?
Duterte exposed Poe na hindi siya ready when if coast guards got bombed by China. Binomba na eh, wait for arbitration pa rin?

I think there is a way to eliminate crime within 6 mos.
Digong doesn't need to abolish Senate and Congress.
Raise the Pay of Policemen and Military, Invest on Security measures like CCTVs,
Patrol method will be Policemen in the morning, Military at the evening.

It makes sense kasi kulang ang bilang Pulis natin. Tapos ano ginagawa ng military?
training lang ng traning tapos laging nasa probinsya kung saan may rebelde? Ang dami nating militar, why don't deploy them in the crime centers of the country.

[DarkRushBeat]

I just saw/listened to a short clip about that debate yesterday....puro Daang Matuwid narinig ko....

[parokyano]

Yan pa rin kasi slogan ng liberal party.. tumpak din naman na nasimulan na ng current administration yung foundation kaya next step nila si mar na ang magmamando..

[deathzero23]

May mobile game si Digong "Fighting Crime: Duterte Edition".
Pang-asar lang pag game over ka na

[Daniel]

wahahaha katawa sya

[DarkRushBeat]

What's with this Erap #@*^ as of late?

[deathzero23]

Talagang ayaw ni Erap kay Binay hahaha... Si Poe at Bongbong ang in-endorse nya.
Bad trip sigurado si Binay nito.

[parokyano]

nakita ko lang sa FB..

WARNING: Long ass read about politics and #@*^. Too much free time, pagni-nilay nilay sa Good Friday.
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So I've been on a quest to weigh both Roxas and Duterte. I came up with the two because here's a quick summary of the other choices from my point of view: Poe is a glorified intern who's so obviously not ready for the Presidency, Binay is a guy I just absolutely can't stomach, and Miriam sadly has lost her edge and even allied with the Harkonnens.

I never really gave Mar a chance because I know that being the administration candidate he has a really poor chance of securing the votes to become President because every failing of the administration will be hanged on him. It's just how it works for every admin. candidate ever. So I went to combing articles about Duterte to find out if I really wanted to vote for the guy because he seemed like the alternative with a better chance at winning, and I found a lot of great indicators.

So here's the case for Duterte. The biggest thing, and most of us have already heard of it (strong online presence and the power of May-mays and all that), it's political will. The man will do things and will trample on you if you get in the way (it's the part of Frank Underwood we all admire). His high score on 'political will' can be both a good thing and a bad thing. He's all about order. He's very open about his support for disenfranchised peoples like our Muslim countrymen - he's pro-Bangsamoro Basic Law, he's helped the Lumads , he's in good terms with the Reds/leftists (they respect him because he respects them), he's pro-LGBT.

He's all about Mindanao and the provinces. He supports Federalization, and whether or not it will work it's still reflective of his views that the provinces should have a fair shake (Robredo also has the same view). Mindanao has a good shot at getting special attention under a Duterte admin. and I think a lot of people can agree that's a good thing. I think it's one of his best sells, Mindanao and the Moro people sorely need someone who will help them.

He's also promising that his admin. will have the highest budget for education (despite having a platform based on law and order). Good, I want a candidate who will prioritize education. People love him because he has relatable flaws and acts like a vigilante superhero (I mean, he's the Punisher and the Punisher is cool). He lives simply, he hasn't spent as much as the other candidates on his campaign, he has grassroots support. He's the hot pick, the cool guy, the anti-establishment, the guy who says what he wants and doesn't give two shits what you think of it.

But here's where we get to the bad part. I could care less about his womanizing or harsh language, the real issue that will hound him is human rights abuses, extrajudicial killings (He likes to talk about Law and order and the rule of law but conveniently sets it aside for this, see the contradiction). It's not a simple thing, it's not just "he kills criminals, so what?", it's complicated. Where is due process? Who says who are criminals and who are not? There are big crimes and petty ones. It's part of the culture of impunity. "Criticism is not welcome".

And then another issue is that he's also a Marcos sympathizer - another long story I won't get into here, suffice to say I don't like it. Duterte is kind of unpredictable with his views, never aligning into what you want or expect. A wildcard.

Off the top of my head, this sums up the Duterte package for me. Pros and cons. I'm still not sure which way I'll swing but I'll say this, I definitely see him more objectively now. And the Duterte hype has definitely been deflated for me.

Now Let me present the case for Mar Roxas. The first thing I asked about Mar Roxas is this: ignoring the cheap memes and personal attacks and digs at his lack of charm and silly photo-ops and his lack of relatability or his 'pretentiousness', What exactly is so bad about Roxas? From what I can tell, not really a lot.

We love to blame the guy for all the failings of the government. His political opponents (and by extension the people who harp them) want him to take full credit for the mess with the MRT, Mamasapano and Yolanda among many others, and saying that the guy accomplished absolutely nothing in all his years in gov't. That he's an underachiever.

Maybe it's fair to make him take full credit for that. But for the sake of fairness what if we also let him take full credit for stuff like the BPO industry or the Palengke initiatives, or even the reforms and modernization of the AFP? He was the govt's chief advocate for the growth of the BPO industry and created its institutions. Lots of jobs for the past decade. It's HUGE, we're not second only to India. Do people in the BPO industry owe Mar Roxas for their jobs? No. But the point is, here's a guy who did HIS job. And that's a job well done but no one sees that. If we're being critical we should at least be factual and fair.

There's a reason three administrations (Erap, Gloria and Noynoy) appointed him in their respective cabinets, first as DTI Secretary (where he worked on BPO) and the DILG, where he brought efficiency to the PNP, and headed reforms at the AFP . The guy just brings work ethic anywhere you put him. It's boring, necessary work that actually builds this nation, but obviously less exciting than executing criminals.

Duterte served as Davao City Mayor for 7 terms, an established track record for running a city that transformed Davao from a shithole to a model city. Recognizing his talent he was offered cabinet positions by previous administrations but he refused.

Mar's track record is no slouch either, actually the most expansive record next to Miriam: Congress, many times as Cabinet Secretary where he pushed for centralized palengke ng bayan (that's where he got the Mr. Palengke thing), put computers in public schools, established Callcenters and BPO industry, IT industry and e-commerce. Duterte is old-shool and knows how to work that, but Mar on the other hand can see trends and looks to the future in IT. In the Senate he's authored and supported bills primarily geared towards growing small businesses. It's #@*^ that the common people will never see or recognize as helping them because they're too busy lining up to a random Binay food day.

The guy's a patriot who tries really hard. Roxas is more patriot than Poe and her short stint in public service, and more patriot than Binay who lines his pockets with the country's coffers while proclaiming his love for the poor. Roxas doesn't even boast about all these 'achievements', to him it's just work. Thankless work. He's bad at telling people that things are improving, things are getting done.

How about corruption? So far there have been no scandals that can be linked directly to Roxas (if there were they would have thrown it at him already). Issues of human rights violations or civil liberties compromised? None as far as we know. Roxas is somewhat clean. Roxas is boring. Roxas' shortcomings come off of him doing his job, not him deliberately being self-serving. If Roxas is stealing or "reappropriating" funds for political purposes, I'm sure it's at the baseline level where all politicians are and nowhere near the corruption the Binays are doing.

Again, why are we not voting for this guy again? Judging from what I can see on social media, it's because he's just NOT COOL. He's lame, he's a dork, uninspiring (a direct opposite to Duterte who effortlessly inspires people).

When you do a lot of work, every time you achieve something you screw up just as much. When you do something right no one notices, but when you do it wrong everyone notices, right? He changed the contracts for the MRT because the previous one was underperforming and the MRT was slowly declining. the MRT is still #@*^ so bad luck for Roxas that gets pinned on him (but if MRT service gets better in the next few years, I'll know who to thank.) Yolanda was a shitstorm where everybody screwed up, especially the negligent LGUs. There's a lot of blame to go around, admin or opposition, but as admin standard bearer Roxas will take the blame, that's fair. SAF44? Massive screw up in which Roxas was not even in the loop of an operation he has direct jurisdiction over, either way sorry Roxas, time to take the blame again.

That's my take on both candidates. Duterte the vigilante superhero, and Roxas the unsung office worker making spreadsheets and writing field reports. I think it all comes down to if you want sweeping changes. Roxas is the establishment, under his term things will go on, good and bad. And depending on whether you're satisfied with that he's your guy. He's a safe bet, very predictable. Duterte is a gamble, he's going to change things but I'm not sure I'm 100% ok with what he's going to do - whatever it is. He's unpredictable. You want change, Duterte is your guy.

Thanks for reading all the way through.

[deathzero23]

Well ako personally, it's a toss up between Mar and Digong. Tama Roxas is taking all the blame kahit di naman siya directly involved.
Funny thing, Si PNoy at mga tao nya nagkaka-problema. Di naman si Mar. Ni-li-Link lang ang pangalan nya. Kasi yung mga department na involved, nahawakan nya before.

Saka magkalinawan lang. Ang MRT ay hindi fully owned ng Gobyerno. Kaya kung magka-problema ang mga tao sa MRT, Wag nila isisi sa Gobyerno agad. Isisi nila ang problema sa namamahala kasi yung General Manager ang nag-aappoint nya eh involved ang DOTC. So the blame should fall on Al Vitangcol MRT's former GM and Jun Abaya who is DOTC secretary. Nakakaasar kay Abaya, Civil Engineer sya tapos presidente pa ng LP ngayon?
Pero please pati ba naman si PNoy may kasalanan din sa MRT?

Dahil ba appointed nya si Abaya? So pasa-pasa na lang sisihan? Ganun ba dapat ang thinking? Parang mali naman yata yun.
Saka nagtrarabaho naman talaga si Mar. Nagmukha lang siyang trying hard noong lumabas na yung mga photo-ops nya. Which is bad.
So ang may kapalpakan nito eh yung PR machine ni Mar.

Saka yung sa Yolanda. Aminin na natin may problema Gobyerno natin. Bakit kelangan pa hintayin ang media bago magpamigay ng relief?
Sa dami ng relief goods, hindi mauubos yun kahit maging late ang media sa eksena. Saka anong ginagawa ng PTV-4? Sariling TV station na ng gov't yun. Maanong sila na mag-cover ng relief operations tapos whatever early recordings nila eh bigyan na lang ng copy yung ABS, TV5 at GMA?

Yung sa SAF44, exempted na si Roxas dun. Di nga siya sinabihan ni PNoy eh. Loko naman itong si Poe, bigla ginamit yung SAF44 para "palabasin" na di mapagkakatiwalaan si Mar kaya di sinabihan ni PNoy. Matalino si Poe natuto ng Trapo-Tactics agad hahaha.

Yung EDSA Traffic, problema ba ni Mar yun? Eh DILG hawak nya. Well ganun talaga "sumpa" ang admin candidate ang anumang kapalpakan nila.

Nakikita ko ng college first hand si Roxas kasama sa mga nangraraid sa Recto sa mga bookstores na confirmed na nandadaya sa bilang pages ng notebook. Nagta-trabaho naman talaga yung tao. Gusto lang tao eh. Kung maupo si Mar sa pwesto, wala na sanang "Same Fail Bullsh!t" na tulad ni Abaya ang ma-a-appoint.

Kung war on crime ang usapan, boto si Digong. Aber sino ba gusto ng krimen? Sino may ayaw ng kaayusan?
If you want safe streets and people getting disciplined iboto si Digong. Pero may malaking hamon ako ay Digong.
After nya masawata ang street crimes, tirahin naman nya yung malalaking isda pati mga gag* sa gobyerno.

Sorry to say this pero I want to see a Big Time Crime Drug lord and Kingpin getting executed on National TV. One time lang.
Maging example lang.

[DarkRushBeat]

Hindi si Marr Roxas yan nasa cover actually....Kundi si....Willie Nep...

[deathzero23]

May nag-edit ng comic title ni Mar.. Like, "Sa gitna ng UNGAS"

[eynjel18]

Kawawa naman etong si Roxas, natalo na nga sa pagkaVP dati, talo parin sa pagkaPresident. He got 0% chance to be president, pwera na lang kung dayain ng Comelec yung results, pero sure magkakagulo kung manalo si Roxas. Mag Senador na lang sya ulit at least sure ball sya dun LOL.

[Daniel]

hahaha Willie Nep

[deathzero23]

Mas magkakagulo pag si Binay nanalo.
Mas magkakaduda naman sa SC pag si Poe ang nanalo
Malaking problema pag si Miriam manalo (health)

Ang lokohan sa 5Ps ni Binay eh yung pang 5th na P ay yung Parte nya

In a hindsight tama, nakakaawa si Roxas. Pero wala talaga siyang appeal. Masipag naman siya walang duda, it's just his aura. Something is wrong.
Nakasira talaga kay Mar yung mga photo-ops nya. He can do his work back then without "showing-off".

Ang di ko alam kung sarili nyang ideya ng iba yung mga "photo-ops" series nya.
Tapos may komiks pa. Sino ba strategist ni Mar? Hindi magaling.

[Daniel]

Si Miriam okay pa kahit may health concerns. Ang problema yung VP na mananalo. Kung si BBM ang maging VP, o si Chiz, e di dating gawi na naman tayo.

[DarkRushBeat]

Eto daw reaction ni Mar sa mga critics sa comics nya....



he he he

[Daniel]

swak na swak yang reaction ni mar. maganda yan sa debate

[DarkRushBeat]

swak na swak yang reaction ni mar. maganda yan sa debate

Sakto since palamura si Digong he he he...